Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/12/1997 01:06 PM House TRA

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            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                       February 12, 1997                                       
                           1:06 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Bill Williams, Chairman                                        
 Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chairman                                   
 Representative John Cowdery                                                   
 Representative Bill Hudson                                                    
 Representative Jerry Sanders                                                  
 Representative Kim Elton                                                      
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Al Kookesh                                                     
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 *HOUSE BILL NO. 63                                                            
 "An Act extending the motor fuel tax exemption for fuel sold for              
 use in jet propulsion aircraft to fuel used in those aircraft for             
 flights that continue from a foreign country; and providing for an            
 effective date."                                                              
                                                                               
      - HEARD AND HELD                                                         
                                                                               
 (* First public hearing)                                                      
                                                                               
 PREVIOUS ACTION                                                               
                                                                               
 BILL:  HB 63                                                                
 SHORT TITLE: AVIATION FUEL TAX EXEMPTION                                      
 SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) THERRIAULT,Davies,Kelly,Brice                   
                                                                               
 01/13/97        48    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                 
 01/13/97        48    (H)   TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE                           
 01/22/97       126    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): DAVIES                              
 02/12/97              (H)   TRA AT  1:00 PM CAPITOL 17                        
 02/12/97       325    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): KELLY                               
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GENE THERRIAULT                                                
 Alaska State Legislature                                                      
 Capitol Building, Room 511                                                    
 Juneau, Alaska   99802                                                        
 Telephone:  (907) 465-4797                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor testimony on HB 63                               
                                                                               
 KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner                                              
 Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                            
 3132 Channel Drive                                                            
 Juneau, Alaska   99801                                                        
 Telephone:  (907) 465 6977                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63                            
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director                                              
 Income and Excise Audit Division                                              
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 P.O. Box 110420                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska   99802                                                        
 Telephone:  (907) 465-2320                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 63                                       
                                                                               
 JEFF COOK, Vice President                                                     
 External Affairs and Administration                                           
 Mapco                                                                         
 1150 High Lane                                                                
 North Pole, Alaska   99705                                                    
 Telephone:  (907) 488-2741                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 63                              
                                                                               
 KIM ROSS, Director                                                            
 Alaska Air Carriers Association                                               
 1117 E.35th Street                                                            
 Suite 102                                                                     
 Anchorage, Alaska   99508                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 277-0071                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified against HB 63                                  
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-6, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS called the House Transportation Standing               
 Committee to order at 1:06 p.m.  Members present at the call to               
 order were Representatives Williams, Masek, Cowdery, Hudson,                  
 Sanders and Elton.  Representative Kookesh was absent.                        
 HB 63 - AVIATION FUEL TAX EXEMPTION                                       
                                                                               
 Number 058                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that HB 63 is, "An Act extending the motor           
 fuel tax exemption for fuel sold for use in jet propulsion aircraft           
 to fuel used in those aircraft for flights that continue from a               
 foreign country; and providing for an effective date."  He stated             
 that he was considering adding a possible amendment and asked the             
 sponsor, Representative Therriault explain the bill.                          
                                                                               
 Number 109                                                                    
 REPRESENTATIVE GENE THERRIAULT stated HB 63 would lift the 3.2 cent           
 tax that is collected from instate refiners for jet fuel that is              
 used on inbound foreign flights into the U.S. territory.  He                  
 stated, "So the flights that originate from a foreign location,               
 touched down in Anchorage or Fairbanks and then continue on to                
 domestic or foreign locations."  He stated that HB 63 extends the             
 motor fuel tax exemption to include fuel used in aircraft for                 
 flights that continue from a foreign country.   He stated that                
 currently the state of Alaska provides a tax exemption for fuel               
 used only in flights to foreign countries.  He stated that federal            
 law preempts state taxation of imported aviation fuel, transported            
 through the Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ) for use in aircrafts during              
 all foreign flights.  He stated, "The federal definition of foreign           
 flights includes flights originating from and flights continuing to           
 a foreign country. As a result the jet fuel produced in Alaska is             
 taxed 3.2 cents per gallon more than similar fuel produced at                 
 foreign refineries."  He stated that two tankers filled with 20               
 million gallons of tax exempt foreign fuel were brought into Alaska           
 in 1995 and last year just under 38 million gallons were imported             
 through the FTZ.  He stated that without new legislation it is                
 anticipated that the practice of using the FTZ to import, will                
 increase as airlines move to purchase tax exempt fuel for use.                
 Representative Therriault stated that HB 63 is needed to provide a            
 level playing field to Alaska's producers, by allowing the tax                
 exemption for all fuel used in foreign flights.                               
                                                                               
 Number 290                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that last year the Administration            
 was opposed to the legislation, however, the governor announced a             
 switch in position this year.  He stated, "That switch in position            
 came after traveling in the Pacific Rim countries and hearing from            
 a number of the carriers that the tax that was imposed on the jet             
 fuel, produced in the state of Alaska was a deterrent to running              
 more operations through the state of Alaska."  He stated that the             
 administration looked into whether the FTZ exemption could be                 
 closed off, however, the commissioner of the Department of                    
 Transportation and Public Facilities did not think that could be a            
 possibility.  He stated that the situation is, the fuel that is               
 produced at the instate refineries have to pay the tax, while fuel            
 that is imported from foreign destinations is not subject to the              
 the tax resulting in the shifting of Alaska's economy to off shore            
 locations.  He stated that the unfairness of a tax that puts                  
 Alaska's production at a disadvantage needs to be considered and              
 dealt with.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 417                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated he would like the committee to               
 consider adding bunker fuel sales to the legislation.  He stated              
 there is a statement from the Department of Revenue, Income and               
 Excise Audit Division, that indicates the number of Bunker Fuel               
 that is sold in the state.  He stated that there was legislation              
 that passed that was designed to be revenue neutral and once Alaska           
 passed 400,100,000 gallons of sales from marine bunker fuel in the            
 state of Alaska, the tax would go away.  He stated that this                  
 threshold was only met and surpassed in 1995, and since the sales             
 of marine bunker fuel in Alaska has dropped from over 4 million               
 gallons to less then 100 gallons.  He stated that we tax the marine           
 bunker fuel and then the cruise ships and other marine vessels get            
 fuel in Canada or Seattle, were the fuel is not taxed, putting                
 Alaskan industry at a disadvantage.  He stated that he would like             
 the committee to remove the tax.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 570                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COWDERY asked what the benefit is to stopping             
 in Anchorage and in Fairbanks.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 580                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that there is geographic benefit             
 but all of the air carriers have to be sensitive to the price of              
 fuel that they consume, a change of a penny can result in a lot of            
 money to the air carriers.  He stated that locations in British               
 Columbia are trying to attract some of the refueling business from            
 Alaska through a price advantage.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 643                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if HB 63 only pertains to foreign                
 companies whose flights originate in foreign countries but stop in            
 Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 664                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that the tax exemption for the               
 fuel that is brought in through the Foreign Trade Zone is for any             
 flight that originates or is destined to a foreign airport,                   
 however, the state tax exemption is only for outbound flights.  He            
 stated that Alaska currently taxes the inbound flights, therefore,            
 if we want to sell an Alaskan produced product it has to be taxed,            
 a foreign source is not.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 736                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that he argued against the fiscal            
 note last year because it showed a loss if $3.5 million.  He stated           
 that he felt Alaska would lose this tax anyway because the airlines           
 are going to seek out the lowest source of fuel resulting in an               
 erosion of the tax revenue.  He stated that the fiscal note                   
 attached to HB 63 shows an increase in the FTZ fuel.                          
                                                                               
 Number 752                                                                    
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked who is the largest supplier of jet               
 fuel.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 762                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT responded that Department of Revenue                
 might be able to answer that.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 805                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked how the other areas, Miami, New York, San             
 Francisco, Los Angeles or Seattle are handling the tax exemption.             
                                                                               
 Number 849                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that number of other states have             
 taken similar action because of the importation of tax free fuel              
 through a FTZ.  He stated that Tennessee has eliminated the tax.              
                                                                               
 Number 893                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked what the money being taken in as           
 taxes is being spent on.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 905                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that it goes into the general                
 fund.  He stated that he believed the current amount to be $4                 
 million.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 925                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated, "What scares me is we trying to cut            
 $60 million dollars out, if we pass this bill do we have to cut $64           
 million out to accomplish the same thing."                                    
                                                                               
 Number 938                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT replied that is correct.  He stated that            
 he is working on a way that it can be revenue neutral and it is a             
 problem that has to be dealt with.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 965                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if the other states that have                    
 eliminated the tax are located in a strategic geographic location.            
                                                                               
 Number 1020                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT responded that Alaska has the distinct              
 advantage that its location can not be duplicated very easily.  He            
 stated that Federal Express decided to locate in Tennessee because            
 of strategic location, but would be able to find another area quite           
 easily.  He stated that carriers that felt they had to use Alaska             
 for their fuel due to the timing of their flights, will want to               
 import the tax free fuel.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1099                                                                   
                                                                               
 KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Transportation and            
 Public Facilities (DOT/PF), stated that the administration supports           
 HB 63.  He stated that HB 63 will remove the competitive                      
 disadvantage that currently exists with regard to foreign fuel.  He           
 stated that the location of Anchorage and Fairbanks is important              
 and growth in the cargo industry is fairly rapid yet yields are               
 dropping significantly to those cargo carriers.  He stated that a             
 penny does make a difference, Vancouver, Seattle and Portland are             
 trying to take the our business as well as intercept new business             
 that we are trying to attract.  He stated that it is competitive              
 amongst the airports, and we are in a good position to increase our           
 cargo.  He stated that HB 63 will help sell Alaska as a good place            
 for the cargo industry to do business.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1243                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that last year there was a concern with the bill.           
 He stated that the DOT/PF thought eliminating the FTZ tax exemption           
 provision resulting in a tax for all would be the solution,                   
 however, the DOT/PF learned that this was problematic.  He stated             
 that in addition, it was not possible to stop carriers from using             
 bonded warehouses to bring in bonded fuel.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1336                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that the money that comes into the general fund             
 by the fuel tax does not affect the DOT/PF's budget.  He stated               
 that they have program receipts tied to revenue that is generated             
 from leases and fees from the airports, in particular the rural               
 airports, which amounts to $2.8 million a year.  He stated that the           
 costs of operating the rural airports is about $20 million a year.            
 He stated that the international airports operate in an enterprise            
 fund, they generate the revenue internally and the money is fed               
 back into the operations.  He stated that an increase in revenues             
 at the international airports would go back and reduce landing                
 fees, resulting in a net zero process in international airport                
 operation.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1433                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked how HB 63 will affect the rural areas and             
 should they be concerned.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1470                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that the rural airports should not be concerned             
 in relation to HB 63.  He stated that they should be concerned as             
 it relates to the general state of affairs, reducing budgets will             
 affect the rural airports but there is no link between HB 63 and              
 the rural airports.  He stated that the DOT/PF has no plans, as a             
 result, of HB 63 to raise landing fees.  He stated that the                   
 legislature passed a bill a few years ago regarding an increase in            
 fuel tax with a provision that stated landing fees can not be                 
 charged for a period of five years.  He stated that the DOT/PF is             
 not interested in raising any fees as a result of HB 63.                      
                                                                               
 Number 1543                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked how the DOT/PF will make up in the loss of            
 revenue.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1470                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that there are benefits to HB 63 such as                   
 encouring expansion of instate refinery work.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1617                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that the members should refer to             
 the fiscal note attached to HB 63 which states the estimated impact           
 to be a loss of $2.8 million.  He stated last year's fiscal note              
 was for $3.7 million, therefore, in a year there has already been             
 a loss of roughly $1 million.  He stated that the airport revenues            
 are going down anyway without HB 63.  He stated there would be                
 extra revenue created by landing fees, "if the fees stayed flat but           
 we have ten more flights per week there would be extra revenue                
 generated."                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1679                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated, "We are not proposing to increase landing fees             
 at the international airports, we not proposing to implement                  
 landing fees which do not currently exist at the rural airports."             
                                                                               
 Number 1704                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked, "What about the airport leasing."                    
                                                                               
 Number 1709                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that the DOT/PF is looking at increasing revenue           
 in certain areas, such as tie down fees that are not being charged            
 at the rural airports.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1734                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if he could explain his interpretation           
 of the word foreign and should HB 63 further define "foreign."                
                                                                               
 Number 1756                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied he could not answer that but in terms of which             
 carriers are paying the tax, which direction they are flying and              
 when they are not paying the tax, is fairly clear.                            
                                                                               
 Number 1775                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked that Korean Airlines is definitely a             
 foreign airline, but Northwest has flights that could originate in            
 a foreign country but does not always so how is the tax determined.           
                                                                               
 Number 1790                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied the tax is charged to the carrier based on where           
 they are flying not whether or not they are a foreign or domestic             
 carrier.  He stated that Alaska's biggest cargo air carriers are              
 domestic and they are paying the tax.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1812                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked, "They would not get the same benefits           
 as the foreign."                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 1825                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that they would.  He stated that if they are               
 currently paying the tax and would be exempted under HB 63, it does           
 not matter if they are Federal Express or Korean Airlines, they               
 would both benefit.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 1836                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked who are the beneficiaries if HB 63 is            
 passed.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1846                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that Korean Airlines, China Air, Federal                   
 Express, UPS, Northwest, Japan Airlines, United Airlines, Air                 
 France, Luftansa and others.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1874                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked what other companies would benefit               
 from the tax exemption.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1884                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that besides the carriers, hopefully the instate           
 processors will benefit in terms of expanding their production,               
 increasing jobs, and by giving local producers business.                      
                                                                               
 Number 1904                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if the local producers are Mapco                 
 and Tesoro.                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that Mapco, Tesoro and Petro Star are the ones             
 that come to mind.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1933                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked what would we lose if HB 63 did not              
 pass.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1944                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that we would continue to lose market share from           
 instate producers to foreign producers.  He stated that fuel is               
 coming in from the FTZ and the bonded warehouses and we would not             
 be giving the message we want to the international cargo market.              
                                                                               
 Number  1992                                                                  
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON stated that he sees this as an equity              
 issue, as we are trying to offset $2.8 million in potential tax               
 receipts which will become less as the foreign producers over                 
 compete with the local refineries.  He asked what the value is to             
 Alaska by not paying the 3.2 cent tax at the present time.  He                
 asked is there a defined value by having more people come through             
 the airports.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 2033                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN replied that Anchorage International Airport provides              
 about 9 percent of the total jobs in Anchorage.  He stated that               
 there is great potential for more jobs as a result of cargo hubbing           
 and logistics.  He stated that Alaska has several third party                 
 investors that are looking to develop cargo hubbing warehouses.  He           
 stated that if we can further encourage the air cargo carriers, by            
 reducing the tax, Alaska will have a better advantage to keep and             
 attract business.  He stated that as the international airports get           
 more traffic the cost of landing fees will be reduced and all                 
 airports will benefit as a result of this.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2175                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated then this should reduce the cost of              
 flights to the villages.  He stated that the quantity or volume of            
 production has some bearing to the cost of production, and in turn            
 some benefit to Alaskans at the gas pump.  He stated that if Mapco            
 and Tesoro is able to refine more than perhaps the cost to Alaskans           
 will be reduced.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 2222                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT replied that the local refineries are               
 serving local markets and every gallon of product going out of the            
 refinery has a fixed cost attached to it and if the number of                 
 gallons that are going out are increased then each gallon will cost           
 less.  He stated that the fixed cost of gasoline will spread.                 
                                                                               
 Number 2260                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BEVERLY MASEK stated on Page 6 under jet fuel                  
 revenues, it says if "The legislature decides to continue a foreign           
 flight exemption the term foreign clearly defined in statute...",             
 she asked is that in HB 63.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 2286                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that it is not in HB 63 because              
 the definition that has caused the problem is a federal definition            
 of what a foreign flight is and has triggered the loss to the tax             
 revenue.  He stated that the legislature can not do anything in the           
 statute to fix the federal definition problem.                                
                                                                               
 Number 2307                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked that the problem is not with changing            
 routes but with the duty free fuel.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 2339                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that there are new carriers that are expressing             
 an interest in coming to Alaska, so no one is changing routes as a            
 result of the fuel tax at this point, but clearly it does effect              
 the bottom line of carriers that would do business in Alaska.                 
                                                                               
 Number 2369                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if the FTZ provides nothing to offset            
 the money lost through the tax.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 2385                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that in terms of actual dollars there is no                 
 benefit to the FTZ, but it encourages value added processing.  He             
 stated that the fuel benefit was not anticipated when Alaska went             
 into the FTZ business.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 2446                                                                   
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director, Income and Excise Audit Division,           
 Department of Revenue, stated that he was here to answer any                  
 questions.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2446                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if the Department of Revenue has a               
 definition of the word foreign.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 2459                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that under the state Motor Tax Law there is           
 a clear definition of "foreign" and there has not been problems               
 with who is subject to a tax and who is not.  He stated that in tax           
 laws, "foreign" is defined by destination, the confusion occurs in            
 the federal commerce laws and in who qualifies for FTZ activities.            
 He stated that from a state tax prospective definitions of                    
 "foreign" do not need to be changed.                                          
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-6, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 032                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if there were any tax mechanisms on               
 imported fuel in the state of Alaska.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 049                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW stated the problem is Alaska does have the                    
 authority to tax imported fuel, whether it is domestic or foreign             
 but the federal government has developed special clauses under the            
 U.S. Constitution in which customs, bonded warehouses, and the FTZ            
 came into being which superceeds any state jurisdiction to levy a             
 tax or a fee.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 073                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if there could be a potential tax on              
 imported fuel before it comes into the FTZ.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 087                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that we can not tax until they come into              
 Alaska's jurisdiction, which is in the FTZ.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 108                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if there was any corporate income tax             
 from those who operate in our airports.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 127                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that there is a corporate income tax based            
 on net income for any business that transacts business in Alaska.             
 He stated that any registered taxable corporation is subject to the           
 corporate income tax.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 133                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that it is a factor that we can                  
 adjust, in that we establish what the corporate taxation rate will            
 be.  He asked if there is a separate rate for carriers that are               
 operating at the airport as opposed to any other corporation in the           
 state.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 146                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that at this time the state of Alaska                 
 charges a tiered corporate rate that is applied to all business'              
 and that he is not sure what the rules are for taxing differently.            
                                                                               
 Number 159                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated that he knows there is a definite               
 benefit for the ships to come into the port of Anchorage, and asked           
 if the port of Anchorage could have a port tax to offset this to              
 the point were we could keep the tax.                                         
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that he did not know what authorities the             
 ports would have for fees and charges.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 193                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT responded that if the municipalities put            
 an increase fuel flowage fee, it would be a revenue to Anchorage              
 and unless they bequeathed a certain amount of money every year to            
 the general fund, he did not know how they would link the two                 
 together.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 216                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if we have any understanding of what              
 the comparative tax mechanisms are at other airports.                         
                                                                               
 Number 231                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW stated that there is a diverse set of fees and                
 taxes charged at every airport.  He stated that the first thing to            
 look at would be the landing fees, land rents, the local and state            
 taxes.  He stated that he has not seen a comparison of the total              
 cost of doing business at airports.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 272                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if it was possible if he could pull               
 together a comparison to another airport to see how Alaska's policy           
 is through the competition.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 293                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW replied that he would have to defer to the                    
 Department of Transportation and Public Facilities.                           
                                                                               
 Number 311                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN stated that the DOT/PF had tried to do a similar                   
 analysis and ran into problems but will try to bring in something             
 to the next meeting.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 328                                                                    
                                                                               
 JEFF COOK, Vice President, External Affairs and Administration,               
 Mapco, based at the North Pole refinery.  He stated that he has               
 worked for Mapco for two years.  He stated that Mapco is twenty               
 years old and was purchased the trans-Alaskan refinery in 1981.  He           
 stated that there are 450 employed by Mapco with 100 percent local            
 hire rate.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 393                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that we have clearly seen the shift to FTZ fuel and           
 the Mapco jet fuel customers have made it clear that they are going           
 to continue to buy FTZ fuel.  He stated that we are losing sales              
 through the FTZ and even if we could remove the FTZ it would still            
 allow the carriers to use bonded fuel.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 454                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK  stated that Alaska consumes between 51,000 and 55,000               
 barrels of jet fuel, each barrel contains 42 gallons.  He stated              
 that Anchorage airport consumes 42,000 barrels a day of that total.           
 He stated that Federal Express is located in Tennessee and the                
 Memphis airport consumes 18,000 barrels of jet fuel a day.  He                
 stated that the instate refineries do not have the capacity to                
 refine the fuel demand and are about 10,000 barrels short a day.              
 He stated that we have always had to import a certain amount and              
 until the FTZ it was always West Coast refined jet fuel which would           
 import North Slope crude oil.  He stated that in order to have a              
 contract with a carrier Mapco needs to be able to meet all there              
 fuel needs and as a result has to sometimes import FTZ fuel.  He              
 stated that there needs to be an incentive to expand the production           
 of the refineries.  He stated that the expansions are multi-million           
 dollar projects and a penny can mean three million dollars.                   
                                                                               
 Number 576                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that this tax is going away anyway.  He stated that           
 the benefits from increasing Alaska's international air traffic are           
 increased fuel flowage fees, landing fees through usage, corporate            
 taxes, and additional jobs.  He stated that Mapco is the largest              
 shipper of the railroad in that they provide $21 million in revenue           
 to the railroad, therefore if fuel is imported, the Alaska Railroad           
 is penalized as well.  He stated that there needs to be an                    
 incentive to bring in Alaskan fuel.  He stated that Alaska would              
 benefit with added production and increased demand for Alaska crude           
 oil.  He stated there would be a potential for added jobs by all              
 corporations who are paying corporate taxes.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 770                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT asked, "With regard to the cost of your             
 crude, and through the refinery is royalty oil through the state,             
 and I just remember back in the mid 1980s, when I was involved in             
 negotiation of the contract and the price that you were paying was,           
 I think you actually paid a slight premium, that contract I think             
 is expired and I am not sure what your current price...."                     
                                                                               
 Number 800                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK replied that there is a market based contract with the               
 state and it goes to 2003 and it looks to market references and the           
 state negotiated those contracts to make sure Alaska is getting               
 full value.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 828                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if Mapco is profitable.                          
                                                                               
 MR. COOK replied, "We make money, if we didn't we wouldn't be                 
 here."                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 838                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked what is the price of the gas in                  
 Anchorage and Fairbanks.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 859                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that the price is less in Anchorage than in                   
 Fairbanks.                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked why that was.                                    
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that Anchorage has competitors and Fairbanks does             
 not.  He stated, "We have a refinery that has a fixed production,             
 whether we run the maximum of 135,000 barrels a day through there,            
 which we retain 44 or 45 or whether we run nothing there are                  
 certain fixed costs that are there.  So if we could sell in a                 
 market and make less than we could to justify selling our whole               
 production at that and stay in business we have benefitted                    
 everybody."  He stated that Mapco is sensitive to local markets and           
 trys to be fair to the consumers.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 918                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if his understanding was correct in              
 that the price to the public is based on the competition or the               
 alternative supply.                                                           
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated it is a market value.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 992                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if could Mapco adjust their prices to            
 take up the slack from the tax.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1039                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that they do not pay the tax the carriers do.  He             
 stated that Mapco is not going to be able to increase the price by            
 the 3.2 cents.  He stated that we want to maintain and hopefully              
 increase volumes.  He stated that we either lose the business or we           
 have to absorb it and it would not be fair for instate refiners to            
 have to absorb that cost.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1083                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that instate refineries are going to            
 be the beneficiaries of the tax exemption in a larger volume of               
 sales.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1113                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if Mapco had expansion plans at the               
 current time to provide the added capacity.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1128                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. COOK stated that Mapco does not have specific plans but HB 63             
 is key to the expansion.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1209                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if HB 63 is passed can't the foreign             
 refiners drop their price by a penny resulting in Alaska being no             
 better off than it is now.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1247                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. COOK replied that a 3.2 cent advantage is a big advantage plus            
 there are a lot of other factors that the foreign carriers have to            
 comply with.  He stated that there are other costs and he thinks              
 that the instate refiners will still have the advantage.                      
                                                                               
 Number 1339                                                                   
                                                                               
 KIM ROSS, Director, Alaska Air Carriers Association, testified via            
 teleconference from Anchorage, that she had been director of the              
 association for ten years.  She stated that the association                   
 represents 110 air carriers and air service suppliers, serving                
 Alaska.  She stated that the views expressed in the association's             
 February 28, 1996, letter remain valid today.  She stated that a              
 tax policy decision should be based on accurate facts and sound               
 analysis, and that has yet to be done.  She stated that the fuel              
 tax exemption would create an un-level playing field for carrier              
 competing for cargo at Anchorage airport.  Ms. Ross stated,                   
 "Carriers that happen to be continuing from a foreign airport,                
 picking up new cargo at Anchorage and carrying it on to Memphis or            
 Los Angeles would get the fuel tax exemption and a competitive                
 advantage.  Carriers that start in Anchorage or that come to                  
 Anchorage from another U.S. airport picking up the same cargo at              
 Anchorage and carrying it to the same destination in the U.S. would           
 not receive the fuel tax exemption and that would create a                    
 competitive disadvantage."                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1516                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS stated that federal law does exempt FTZ or bonded fuel               
 from the Alaska tax of 3.2 cents, the Department of Revenue should            
 be collecting that tax.  She stated that no one has refuted the               
 association's analysis on this point.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1582                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS stated that there are options to fix the perceived problem           
 at the boundaries of the FTZ.  She stated that a substantial amount           
 of the foreign fuel is being imported by Alaskan refineries because           
 they can not compete but at the same time there are enjoying record           
 production volume, sales volume, margins and profit.  She stated              
 that Anchorage has record cargo growth without the jet fuel tax               
 exemption, it grew over 13 percent in 1996.  She stated that the              
 tax exemption would cost between four and five million dollars                
 which are funds that are for the rural airports' maintenance and              
 operations budget.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1704                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS stated that the rural airports budget total is $19.3                 
 million dollars, revenue from the DOT/PF is about $2.5 million,               
 aviation fuel revenues are $8.5 million, which leaves a short fall            
 of $8.3 million in 1995.  She stated that the DOT/PF projects a 40            
 percent to 50 percent decrease in fuel tax revenue if HB 63 passes,           
 which equates to 25 percent of the entire maintenance and                     
 operations budget for rural airports.  She stated that this could             
 result in a terrible impact on operational safety and a disastrous            
 impact on the transportation needs of Alaskans.  She questioned               
 where the airport would make up the $4.5 million for airport                  
 operation and maintenance as the rural communities could not afford           
 a small dent in this short fall.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 1858                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS stated that the point of increased landing fees from                 
 increased traffic does not make sense because the increased traffic           
 would be in Anchorage and the law states that landing fees can only           
 be used to fund Anchorage and Fairbanks and can't be diverted to              
 rural airports.  She stated that the Governor and the legislature             
 promised not to reinstate landing fees at rural airports and that             
 fuel taxes were the fairest method to raise revenues for rural                
 airports.  She asked if the rural airports would the effects of the           
 tax give away.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 2070                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS stated that the association would like HB 63 to require an           
 overall transportation funding plan be developed and put into                 
 effect prior to any tax exemption is effective.  She stated that              
 those seeking a tax advantage should be able to provide good                  
 reasons for it.  She stated that the lost revenue will be made up             
 at the rural airports expense and they can't afford it.  She asked            
 what the committee would do to protect the rural airports                     
 interests.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2181                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that he and Representative Hanley            
 met with a representative from the association this past summer and           
 asked for a review of their legal arguments by the attorney                   
 general's office and the Department of Revenue.  Mr. Hanley                   
 received a letter back stating "I am confident that the conclusions           
 reached by our staff are correct and that we must continue to                 
 exempt the fuel used in foreign commerce that is run through the              
 FTZ."  He stated that the administration did look into this and               
 felt assured that their interpretation was right and they                     
 respectfully disagree with the Alaska Air Carriers Association.  He           
 stated "If a link existed between the revenue drive from the fuel             
 that protected the air carrier from seeing increased landing fees,            
 the erosion of nearly a million dollars from this year and last               
 year should cause the association to be concerned because they                
 should be feeling the pressure of that slack."  He stated that                
 there is no connection between the two it is only through the                 
 budgeting policy that there is any connection between the revenues            
 that are generated between the fuel tax and the revenues that are             
 charged from the moorage.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 2381                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated to Ms. Ross that he would have some                  
 answers to her letter at the next meeting.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2436                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if her analysis of the $4.5 million               
 value of the revenue is derived from subtracting known figures from           
 the total cost.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 2466                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS replied that is correct.                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-7, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 014                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Ms. Ross if there was a policy written            
 on the total collected taxes and the implications of use at the               
 various of airports, he would like to see it.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 055                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that HB 63 will be taken up at the next              
 meeting.                                                                      
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 084                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that the House Standing Transportation               
 Committee was adjourned at 2:40 p.m.                                          
                                                                               

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